BUILD NAS Build Thoughts/Advice

[BlackRugger]

Morning All -

I have been lurking around the site for the past few months reading numerous post and taking in the advice the more experienced users have given to the noob like myself. Based on everything that I have read I will have settled on the below parts list for my NAS build.

The purpose of my NAS will be to house the family media collection (movies, picutres, music, file back up), as well as stream (with possible transcoding) to 3-5 clients at any point in time via plex.

The goal is to run in a raidz2 as well as provide myself with a few years use of future proofing.

Mobo: SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SL7-F-O
CPU: E3-1270V3 Haswell 3.5GHz
Case: Rosewill RSV-L4500 (Already Own)
HD: (6x) 3TB WD Reds
Ram: Kingston 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC
PS: SeaSonic Platinum Series SS-400FL2 Active PFC F3 400W
UPS: Undecided

Any final thoughts and recommendations would be greatly appreciated, as I plan to purchase this list of goods in approximately 12-18 hours. Again thank you for the help.

 

[danb35]

Is that RAM on the HCL for your motherboard?

 

[Ericloewe]

Is that RAM on the HCL for your motherboard?

Doubtful.

BlackRugger, please keep in mind that you may have weird issues with Kingston 8GB ECC DIMMs and Supermicro X10 motherboards if you try to use four of them. You might want to look at Samsung or Hynix, which are listed by Supermicro as compatible.
By the way, the PSU is excellent, but something like a Seasonic X-650 might be cheaper and 99% as good (fanless PSUs are overrated in general, since PSUs are not exactly the major noise source).

 

[reactor789]

Doubtful.

BlackRugger, please keep in mind that you may have weird issues with Kingston 8GB ECC DIMMs and Supermicro X10 motherboards if you try to use four of them. You might want to look at Samsung or Hynix, which are listed by Supermicro as compatible.
By the way, the PSU is excellent, but something like a Seasonic X-650 might be cheaper and 99% as good (fanless PSUs are overrated in general, since PSUs are not exactly the major noise source).

I am trying to build the same device

I was looking at these other components

Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 Haswell, 3.3GHz, 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1150, 80W Quad-Core Server Processor BX80646E31230V​3

Kingston Technology ValueRAM 32 GB Kit of 2 (2x16 GB Modules) 1333MHz DDR3 PC3-10666 ECC Reg CL9 DIMM DR x4 Server Memory (KVR13R9D4K2/3​2)


The 3.3GHz CPU is a bit cheaper (should i spend the extra money on the 3.5GHz CPU???)
Will the Kingston 2x16 GB modules work fine one this motherboard?

Lastly the powersupply

Seasonic SSR-450RM ATX 12V/EPS 12V 450-Watt 80 Plus Gold certified PFC Power Supply

 

[Ericloewe]

I am trying to build the same device

I was looking at these other components

Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 Haswell, 3.3GHz, 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1150, 80W Quad-Core Server Processor BX80646E31230V​3

Kingston Technology ValueRAM 32 GB Kit of 2 (2x16 GB Modules) 1333MHz DDR3 PC3-10666 ECC Reg CL9 DIMM DR x4 Server Memory (KVR13R9D4K2/3​2)


The 3.3GHz CPU is a bit cheaper (should i spend the extra money on the 3.5GHz CPU???)
Will the Kingston 2x16 GB modules work fine one this motherboard?

Lastly the powersupply

Seasonic SSR-450RM ATX 12V/EPS 12V 450-Watt 80 Plus Gold certified PFC Power Supply

Processor is fine, but that memory will not work!

For LGA1150, you need Unbuffered memory, not Registered memory. Unbuffered is only available up to 8GB/DIMM (except for crazy expensive stuff from a new company, but it won't work on any current LGA1150 processors anyway, since they're limited to 8GB DIMMs).

 

[reactor789]

Processor is fine, but that memory will not work!

For LGA1150, you need Unbuffered memory, not Registered memory. Unbuffered is only available up to 8GB/DIMM (except for crazy expensive stuff from a new company, but it won't work on any current LGA1150 processors anyway, since they're limited to 8GB DIMMs).

Thanks.

This one seems fine


Supermicro Certified MEM-DR380L-HV02-EU16 Hynix Memory - 8GB DDR3-1600 2R*8 1.35v ECC VLP UDIMM


I think. Please forgive my silly questions, i am a newby to all of this (obviously)

So is the Seasonic SSR-450RM ATX 12V/EPS 12V 450-Watt 80 Plus Gold certified PFC Power Supply

okay. Is 450W enough for 10 HDS???

 

[Ericloewe]

Thanks.

This one seems fine


Supermicro Certified MEM-DR380L-HV02-EU16 Hynix Memory - 8GB DDR3-1600 2R*8 1.35v ECC VLP UDIMM


I think. Please forgive my silly questions, i am a newby to all of this (obviously)

So is the Seasonic SSR-450RM ATX 12V/EPS 12V 450-Watt 80 Plus Gold certified PFC Power Supply

okay. Is 450W enough for 10 HDS???

My typical math for 5400RPM drives is as follows:

According to one of WD's datasheets, 12V mas a maximum current of 2A, which means 24W. Round it up to 30W to account for a margin of error and the 5V rail.
(This isn't a problem in any modern, non-group regulated design, like Seasonic's PSUs. Non-80+ Gold PSUs may be group regulated and need more careful math, but PSUs with DC-DC voltage converters can output almost full power on the 12V rail, and plenty on the minor ones)

Add some 60 Watts to account for motherboard, CPU and random peripheral power consumption, which is plenty for boot. After spinup the drives will consume less power and the rest of the system may exceed 60 Watts under load.

This means that a Seasonic G-450 allows for some ~13 HDDs. If you plan on expanding beyond that, you might want to move up to a Seasonic X-650 (which has somewhat better internals and a much better fan and allows for some ~19-20 drives).

I'll be honest - I did pull the extra 60W out of my ass as a conservative estimate. I am willing to bet that a Supermicro X10 board or equivalent with a Haswell processor will idle (no disks and no crazy fans) below 60W, though.

 

[BlackRugger]

Thank you for the additional advice, based on the feedback I have updated my parts list to the following.


Mobo: SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SL7-F-O
CPU: E3-1270V3 Haswell 3.5GHz
Case: Rosewill RSV-L4500 (Already Own)
HD: (6x) 3TB WD Reds
Ram: Samsung 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC M391B1G73QH0-YK0
PS: SeaSonic x-650 (As I plan to expand to 12 drives in the future)
UPS: Undecided

Any additional feedback and critiques are appreciated. Again thank you all for the assistance.

 

[reactor789]

This is great, i am pretty much going to do the exact same thing you are doing (Except for the case)

Last question would be a backup. I was thinking of a tape drive of some sort. a LTO tape drive are pretty expensive but a used DLT tape drive is pretty cheap.

Is this a good route to take??

 

[danb35]

Currently, FreeNAS doesn't have any support for tape backup.

 

[reactor789]

But if i used amanda etc would that work?

I am not really asking for a GUI to the tape, but driver support.

 

[Ericloewe]

AFAIR, there are no tape drivers in FreeNAS.

Something with jails or a separate machine handling the tapes can work, though, but you're basically on your own, as tapes are really outside the scope of FreeNAS and ZFS.

 

[BlackRugger]

My plan was to use an additional NAS located off site for a backup.

 

[danb35]

An rsync or replication task would seem like a good way to handle backup to another NAS system.

 

[BlackRugger]

@danb35 I will look into that as a backup option once i get the NAS up and running and populated with data. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Sir.Robin]

About CPU usage.

I am running a E3 1220v3 3.1GHz. My NAS i virtual. vSphere 5.5-u1 with 2x vCPU. 6x 1TB Seagate ES2 SAS drives (LSI in passthrough).

Here's graphs from CPU usage in MHz.

First bump up is cifs copy (large folder small files). Second bump is another CIFS copy (large folder large files) and third bump is scrubbing at the same time as the CIFS copy is in progress. Then the copy processes finish and theres only scrub running.

Gives you an idea at least of CPU usage :)

 

[BlackRugger]

Just a quick update I have ordered all the parts mentioned above, and now I wait like a kid on Christmas Eve!

 

[Michael Mendoza]

Just a quick update I have ordered all the parts mentioned above, and now I wait like a kid on Christmas Eve!

Me too. I should get all my hardware by Tuesday.

8 Seagate SEST4000VN00 4TB NAS Internal HDD 1357.6
1 Intel Xeon E3-1270 v3 225
4 Samsung 8GB DDR3-1600 MHz PC3-12800 M391B1G73QH0-YK0 386
1 Fractal Design FD-CA-NODE-804 130
1 SeaSonic G Series 550-Watt 80 PLUS GOLD 90
1 Supermicro Motherboard MBD-X10SL7-F-O 263
1 SanDisk Cruzer Fit 8GB USB 2.0 8

TOTAL 2459.6

Good luck on your build.

 

[BlackRugger]

Michael -

Thanks for the well wishes on the build. My components should be here tomorrow which means a busy weekend fit for me.

Good luck on your build and key me know how it turns out.

 

[reactor789]

I have another question about this motherboard.

If i want to connect 6 SATA HD (3TB) do i need 6 of these cables?
Supermicro Cable CBL-0044L SATA 2 Ft Amphenol RoHS

or you you get 2 of these?
Monoprice 0.5m 30AWG Internal Mini SAS 36pin (SFF-8087) Male w/ Latch to SATA 7pin Female (x4) Forward Breakout Cable - Black

This is assuming that i want to use the SAS2 Ports on the motherboard (which i think i do)