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Ok I've changed my mind (come to my senses.) I'm going to order an mATX case. Still using my m1015. So with that in mind what motherboard do you guys suggest for the m-atx form factor?
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BUILD Mini ITX 7x4tb HDD m1015
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Ok I've changed my mind (come to my senses.) I'm going to order an mATX case. Still using my m1015. So with that in mind what motherboard do you guys suggest for the m-atx form factor?
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Hi SeeThruHead,
I think you are going to have to compromise on something on your list.
That Supermicro board might be your best bet.....I would expect that it would at least have a high likelihood of running the M1015 in the 16x PCI-e slot & it has built in Intel NICs (more NICs than I suspect you need). Keep in mind you will need to buy SO-DIMMs....I can't even guess what 8GB ECC SO-DIMMs cost, so your requirement that you stuff it into that tiny little case is going to prove expensive. Note, with 7 4TB drives you are still well under how much memory you should have, and you still haven't factored in the memory needs of the jail.
-Will
I think you are going to have to compromise on something on your list.
That Supermicro board might be your best bet.....I would expect that it would at least have a high likelihood of running the M1015 in the 16x PCI-e slot & it has built in Intel NICs (more NICs than I suspect you need). Keep in mind you will need to buy SO-DIMMs....I can't even guess what 8GB ECC SO-DIMMs cost, so your requirement that you stuff it into that tiny little case is going to prove expensive. Note, with 7 4TB drives you are still well under how much memory you should have, and you still haven't factored in the memory needs of the jail.
-Will
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Ok. I've changed my mind and I'll be returning my case and getting the larger m-ATX pc-v354. That opens my options to m-atx boards. This gives me 7 drives still. I will buy some ecc ram. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239402 which look to be confirmed working with SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SCL-F-O. I think I'll be using an i3-2100 unless anyone has any better ideas.
Build:
Case: Lian Li PC-V354
MOBO: SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SCL-F-O.
RAM: Kingston 4x8gb unbuffered ECC DDR3 1600
Build:
Case: Lian Li PC-V354
MOBO: SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SCL-F-O.
RAM: Kingston 4x8gb unbuffered ECC DDR3 1600
The i3-2100 doesn't support ECC ram, just so you're aware.
If you want ecc ram, make sure both the CPU and MB support it. That board would, but your proposed cpu doesn't. Aside from xeon cpu's, the G2020 supports ecc, but is a bit limited on cpu power.
If you want ecc ram, make sure both the CPU and MB support it. That board would, but your proposed cpu doesn't. Aside from xeon cpu's, the G2020 supports ecc, but is a bit limited on cpu power.
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Hi guys,
The i3-2100 when paired with a Supermicro X9S series board supports ECC unbuffered RAM just fine.
Take a look at page 5 of this:
http://cache-www.intel.com/cd/00/00/46/78/467819_467819.pdf
Also, I'm running that exact config, An X9SCL, i3-2100 & 16GB of unbuffered ECC. I can certainly confirm that the proc\board combo will not run with non-ECC DDR-3.
-Will
The i3-2100 when paired with a Supermicro X9S series board supports ECC unbuffered RAM just fine.
Take a look at page 5 of this:
http://cache-www.intel.com/cd/00/00/46/78/467819_467819.pdf
Also, I'm running that exact config, An X9SCL, i3-2100 & 16GB of unbuffered ECC. I can certainly confirm that the proc\board combo will not run with non-ECC DDR-3.
-Will
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The rig in your signature survive was what I was going off of. Ok, so with 7x 4tb drives, what raidz setting should I use. 1 or 2? Usable storage capacity is more important to me than performance. Also the safetly of my data isn't really a huge deal either, anything that I truly can't lose will be mirrored elsewhere. This is mostly for video, music, iso's and the like.
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Hi SeeThruHead,
Personally I think only madmen & fools run raidz with drives bigger that a terabyte.
No question in my mind that you should use raidz2. If it were my choice, I had to use 4TB drives & I valued the data at all I'd probably do raidz3.
Note that I might value a set of data more than you value yours.....if this is just a monster archive of BR rips or something else you could walk away from relatively unscathed the choice might be different. It really gets down to the price tag you put on the additional 3.6TB you would lose.
-Will
Personally I think only madmen & fools run raidz with drives bigger that a terabyte.
No question in my mind that you should use raidz2. If it were my choice, I had to use 4TB drives & I valued the data at all I'd probably do raidz3.
Note that I might value a set of data more than you value yours.....if this is just a monster archive of BR rips or something else you could walk away from relatively unscathed the choice might be different. It really gets down to the price tag you put on the additional 3.6TB you would lose.
-Will
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As a bonus that's an optimal raidz3 configuration, 7 x drives raidz3.
This doesn't apply to you survive.
Only up to a point. Once you accumulate enough data the question becomes, "How much is your time worth?" Even if it's just a bunch of BR rips, which get large fast, how long would it take you to re-rip all of them. Is it actually worth not buying the extra drive? I'd argue there is a tipping point which is reached sooner rather than later with this. Single-parity just doesn't cut.
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I haven't actually managed to build this thing yet, and I was wondering if someone could help me figuring out how to update it with components that are still available at retail?
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Hi SeeThruHead,
Since you last asked Intel has released the Haswel series of processors, so there's a whole new line of boards and procs to consider. The Haswel's are a little bit faster & use about the same amount of power as the Ivy Bridge procs. For about the same amount of money you can buy the well-known X9S series or you can get one of the latest X10 boards. There are a couple of threads in the hardware section about the Supermicro X10's, here's the longest one:
http://forums.freenas.org/threads/supermicro-x10-series.15125/
There is a particularly interesting variant, the X10SL7, which has an on-board LSI2008 controller. Here's the thread about board:
http://forums.freenas.org/threads/supermicro-x10sl7-f.14105/#post-75511
The thing with the on-board controller is that it's on-board, so you can't "take it with you" if you move to a new board, but it also adds about half the cost of buying a proper M1015 controller (but you give up the ability to use SFF-8087 cables that make running the SATA connections so much cleaner).
One nice thing about the Haswel procs is that many of the lower end chips now have AES-NI, which you want if you plan on using encryption.When used with a server-grade chipset the lower-end procs also support ECC.
I can't tell you what I would buy if I had to order new gear right now, but what i would do is go through that first thread and see what sort of luck other forum members have had with the X10's & if they work well that's what I would get. If I didn't have an M1015 already I'd be really tempted to spring for the SL7 variant because with the right case you can still wire mange the hell out of a bunch of SATA cables.
-Will
Since you last asked Intel has released the Haswel series of processors, so there's a whole new line of boards and procs to consider. The Haswel's are a little bit faster & use about the same amount of power as the Ivy Bridge procs. For about the same amount of money you can buy the well-known X9S series or you can get one of the latest X10 boards. There are a couple of threads in the hardware section about the Supermicro X10's, here's the longest one:
http://forums.freenas.org/threads/supermicro-x10-series.15125/
There is a particularly interesting variant, the X10SL7, which has an on-board LSI2008 controller. Here's the thread about board:
http://forums.freenas.org/threads/supermicro-x10sl7-f.14105/#post-75511
The thing with the on-board controller is that it's on-board, so you can't "take it with you" if you move to a new board, but it also adds about half the cost of buying a proper M1015 controller (but you give up the ability to use SFF-8087 cables that make running the SATA connections so much cleaner).
One nice thing about the Haswel procs is that many of the lower end chips now have AES-NI, which you want if you plan on using encryption.When used with a server-grade chipset the lower-end procs also support ECC.
I can't tell you what I would buy if I had to order new gear right now, but what i would do is go through that first thread and see what sort of luck other forum members have had with the X10's & if they work well that's what I would get. If I didn't have an M1015 already I'd be really tempted to spring for the SL7 variant because with the right case you can still wire mange the hell out of a bunch of SATA cables.
-Will
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I've also already bought my m1015 so I wont be needing the onboard. My main concern is that I was going to go with the SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SCL-F-O LGA 1155 Intel C202 Micro ATX Intel Xeon E3 Server Motherboard and a 2100 processor but it doesn't look like the 2100 is for sale anymore.
My main concern with stepping up to haswell would be that new hardware usually takes a while before it works 100% from what I've seen. I'd rather have something that is proven.
I suppose I could use the X9SCL with an Ivy bridge i3? the 3220t is listed as supported ECC and it's still available at retail.
My main concern with stepping up to haswell would be that new hardware usually takes a while before it works 100% from what I've seen. I'd rather have something that is proven.
I suppose I could use the X9SCL with an Ivy bridge i3? the 3220t is listed as supported ECC and it's still available at retail.
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Hi SeeThruHead,
First thing I would do (certainly before I spend any money) is to read through the 2 threads I posted in my prior message.
I bet it wouldn't take but a moment of reading to verify whether the X10 boards work with FreeNAS 9.1.1, well worth the time to get all the latest Intel components.
-Will
First thing I would do (certainly before I spend any money) is to read through the 2 threads I posted in my prior message.
I bet it wouldn't take but a moment of reading to verify whether the X10 boards work with FreeNAS 9.1.1, well worth the time to get all the latest Intel components.
-Will
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